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Perhaps that's how it works for some people (the same people who like Lasclelles? XD). There's nowt so queer as folk (as John Childermass might very well say).

Personally, I have never wanted to kick over a sandcastle, but I adore Jonathan, and I would happily read about him being horribly abused.

Not that I don't thoroughly enjoy the hurt bit, but the comfort after the fact is definitely a huge draw for me.

I'm slightly fanatical about commenting. I figure if someone out there is willing to turn out the insanely amazing quality of fic that we've been seeing, I can damn well take the time to tell them how much it's appreciated.

"It's like being down the pub with the happiest bunch of mates on earth."
I love this. Though it totally gives me the mental image of all of us slung over each other and drunkenly singing The Ballad of the Raven King.

(Initial responder to privilege!anon and also enthusiastic approacher of ven diagram experiment later)... I completely agree that pretty much everyone (obviously I can't speak for absolutely everyone) isn't enjoying this kind of fic because they feel in any way envious or spiteful towards the character in question... I feel like often it's characters with power, not necessarily privilege (the two can go hand in hand but not always, particularly not in fiction) who get the brunt of this kind of treatment... Whether it's magical/supernatural power, authority of some kind or just superior intelligence/charisma to everyone else, those kinds of characters do seem to be highly targeted for this kind of treatment. I'm still not sure what all this means, it's an evolving question in my mind and has been for quite sometime, but I'm also almost certain that it's not because of jealousy/envy of the character, but something far more subtle than that.

(privilege!anon)

Agree, I don't think that enjoying this type of fic has much - if anything - to do with spite and envy. As another poster mentioned, it's possible to engage with multiple perspectives, even throughout the course of a single fic - abuser/abused, rescuer/rescued. This makes me think that these stories have some kind of fundamental appeal that somebody who knows more about narrative theory than I do would be able to identify/explain.

Re. the Venn Diagrams Experiment - actually, we're getting ahead of ourselves somewhat! - we need to first decide on the essential criteria for a "punchbag" story...

Anyway, I'm tired and rambling (nothing new there though).

For me, it's any character who gets taken way out of their comfort zone that gets me. Specifically characters who seem very good at covering up a lot of the issues they have lying underneath. Something traumatic or horrific happening to them strips that artifice away pretty quickly and shows them on a much more emotionally vulnerable level, that gets you to sympathise. And then in that state you have the comfort part. Does this make any sense?

*guffaws*

I haven't engaged with a fandom for bloody ages, and this is making me happy as a happy thing. No egos, no nonsense, no in-fighting, just people chucking around prompts and posting fic and having a good and frequently filthy time of it. Amazing.

OP here: I was fanatical about *replying* to comments when I posted a fic because I was so overwhelmed that people had taken the time to leave them.

*wipes away tears*. I love you guys, man!

Oh yes, that's definitely true, I can't believe I forgot that. Obviously it's not just about inflicting physical or sexual pain, but also psychological (with or without the physical/sexual element)... I don't know whether the definition of a punchbag fic should include the type of character typically featured in such fic, that seems like it could end up being horribly circular if we're trying to establish what kinds if characters get such treatment.
H/c seems to be a very common feature of such fics, but certainly not a required one...

Another common thread I've noticed is that the hurt element is typically inflicted by an outside force, such as an OC or a group of OCs (like the French soldiers in the fic that sparked all this debate) or a character who is a notable canon villain, rarely by a character who is thought to be a friend or ally (unless the fic is shamelessly and wilfully OOC). This could be because one of the key draws of such fics is the simplicity of their morality- punchbag fics typically have a clear moral divide between the hero/victim and the villain(s), as well as any potential rescuer/comfort giver. Whether this is a necessary and fundamental aspect of all punchbag fics I'm not sure yet but it seems very common to me.

I just started the book. Does anybody else have the problem that it's very large/cumbersome to carry?? >.

This is the first real fandom I've gotten into and I have to say, if all fandoms are like this I will be spending way more time doing this sort of stuff…
But actually, everybody who posts fills on the kink meme are SO good at writing!

Agreed.

Ime, most small fandoms are like this one, fun and friendly...many of the larger ones suffer from a fair amount of in-fighting and the attentions of some genuinely unhinged individuals (and I'm talking cult-like behaviours, stalking, fraud, the works).

Stalking and fraud?!? That's crazy

Well, I do feel a bit bad for bringing your attention to the ker-rrrazy, this is a very nice fandom all round...! But here is a good overview of some legendary fandom happenings of yore:

http://www.dailydot.com/society/fandomwank-10-best-drama-stories-anniversary/

http://cateprillar.tumblr.com/tagged/jonathan-strange-and-mr-norrell

http://baruyon.tumblr.com/tagged/jonathan-strange-and-mr-norrell

http://kefalay.tumblr.com/tagged/Jonathan-Strange-and-Mr-Norrell

http://syntheticcathedral.tumblr.com/tagged/jonathan-strange-%26-mr-norrell

http://carry-on-my-wayward-artblog.tumblr.com/tagged/Jonathan-Strange-%26-Mr.-Norrell

http://brovitranduila.tumblr.com/tagged/jonathan-strange-and-mr-norrell

Wow some of those were actually funny because they were kinda unimaginable! Thanks for sharing the link. (I'm so glad this fandom is nice!!!)

Oh wow, I didn't realize that Norrell's letter hoarding wasn't book-canon! (I've only seen the series). While watching (and re-watching), that always bothered me for the same reasons. It just didn't seem to fit with the character; he couldn't be THAT mean!

So, here we are. I thought that it would be better if we communicated here instead of flooding fills-and-prompts. I guess there are no restrictions against it? At least we can exchange our contact info here, yeah?

Dunno if we should speak Russian or not? Are there any mods/rules?

Yes, going to discussion post was a great idea, why didn’t I think of it myself?

Anyway, if anyone is interested in some bear hugs, discussing all things JS&MN or joining pretty heavy fangirling over the gentleman spy/gentleman magician ship, you can find me at frimaire.diary.ru, or I am ready to relocate to any other site comrade anons will point to.
Cheers )

Already found you.
But i'd an impression that it's like four or five of us, am i wrong?

Right, 4 or 5 talking here, hard to tell how many keep lurking in silence. Hope others will join us soon.

I talked in 2 threads definitely! and wanted to hug, yes! haha! also posted like 5 prompts of Strange/Grant here, coz the more you post the more it's possible they will get filled, right?? so i'm always happy to fangirl с пеной у рта over those two.

Imma gonna find you on diary too, just in case i'm little-harry dot diary dot ru

So is it just me or does the American bluray have like no special features? Are the deleted scenes only on the British one? Is someone out there willing to put them online somewhere? Or am I going to have to buy myself a regionless player and a new copy of the series? (I will do it if I have to. The lack of extras is some serious bullshit. I didn't drive an hour out of my way to pick it up on video just for my health.)

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